"Thumpers" and "Bumpers"

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Honestly I have an extremely open mind.
Pissing down my back then telling me it was raining is getting you no where.

I see facts and believe them.
I see an old book and people pumping me full of shit and reject them.

Darkhorse, you at least posess the willingness to try to make your point. I respect that.
Buzz and Cuda just hurl insult, they are simple minded, morons, idiots that are on my ignore list.

My mind is open, I need something that could survive in a court of law.

If you are so intent on reading the bible in the form that Martin Luther
translated from Latin, "The Luther Bible " why do you use the King James version?

HH


Darkhorse wrote:
HappyHappy wrote:"Two well known scientists calculated the odds of life forming by natural processes. They estimated that there is less than 1 chance in 1040,000 that life could have originated by random trials. 10 to the 40,000th is a 1 with 40,000 zeros after it!"

Complete and total fabrication, utter bullshit.
There is no basis for those numbers. Creationist fabrication.

HH
Happy you have closed your mind along time ago and refuse to learn past a point that keeps you in your comfort zone. For someone that claims science is what guides you, you sure remove a lot of it from the equation.
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so far this thread has shown that...

You the Protestant fundamentalists will never accept an earth older than Biblical times.
Evolution is not to be accepted in any form except for minor variations within species.
The bible is indisputable fact (*which version please) .
Catholics are not Christian because they do not study the Bible.

On the other hand is an overwhelming body of evidence proving Evolution as fact.
The evidence points to a 4.5 billion year old Earth.

We atheists see evolution as fact.

What is hard to understand is how you thumpers can not accept the facts
and embrace them.
The age of the Earth and evolution do not exclude the possibility of a God.
You can still have creation, a god and devine intervention while accepting the truth.

Seems it is you, Buzz, cuda and Darkhorse that lack an open mind.

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HappyHappy wrote:so far this thread has shown that...

You the Protestant fundamentalists will never accept an earth older than Biblical times.
Evolution is not to be accepted in any form except for minor variations within species.
The bible is indisputable fact (*which version please) .
Catholics are not Christian because they do not study the Bible.

On the other hand is an overwhelming body of evidence proving Evolution as fact.
The evidence points to a 4.5 billion year old Earth.

We atheists see evolution as fact.

What is hard to understand is how you thumpers can not accept the facts
and embrace them.
The age of the Earth and evolution do not exclude the possibility of a God.
You can still have creation, a god and devine intervention while accepting the truth.

Seems it is you, Buzz, cuda and Darkhorse that lack an open mind.

HH
not very bright is he :roll: sad really
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Dear God,

Please make it stop raining in Montreal, and also while your at it fix up the whole Canadian timezone situation.
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fatman wrote:Dear God,

Please make it stop raining in Montreal, and also while your at it fix up the whole Canadian timezone situation.
don't worry. those things will all evolve by themselves :P
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CUDA wrote:
fatman wrote:Dear God,

Please make it stop raining in Montreal, and also while your at it fix up the whole Canadian timezone situation.
don't worry. those things will all evolve by themselves :P
Dont think i will be alive in 500 million years when the plates have moved into position, and on that note feck Hamilton what a tard and since when does the bloke in front have to give way Kobayashi ftw!!!!
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fatman wrote:...and also while your at it fix up the whole Canadian timezone situation.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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I wrote this back in this thread

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1048&hilit=We+know+ ... .&start=50

back on Aug 19 of 2010
I feel that it is still fitting to this conversation today
HappyHappy wrote:and it was not created by a supreme being.
proof???? oh thats right you have none, my bad.

while the age of the earth may be disputable, your statement that it was not created is arrogant at best. because you do not know and you cannot prove or disprove it either way. I've learned a long time ago that Science teaches us the how and God teaches us the why.

I dont know the answer to the creation of the cosmos. science tells us that it's billions of years old. the Bible tells us that it was created in 6 days. but who's 6 days?? mans or Gods?
2 Peter 3:8

‘But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
Psalm 90:4

Indeed, in your sight a thousand years are like a single day, like yesterday-already past- like an hour in the night
I dont know the answer. I find things that prove it could have been created in 6 days.
and I find things that say it's millions of years old. but two thing I've learned, science is it's ever changing and always evolving :P and tomorrow it may come up with a new hypothosis that totally changes everything we understand today.
but with every new archeological discovery we prove the Bible to be true. belief in God is an act of faith, as none of us were there to witness what the Bible says happened. all we can do is trust in what the Bible says to be truth. but one thing about the Bible. it is the most accurate history book ever written. and Roman along with other secular documents support this.
but bear in mind that belief in science is also an act of faith. a faith that's foundation could change tomorrow and rock your world.
Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.
Albert Einstein, "Science, Philosophy and Religion: a Symposium", 1941
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Reservoir_Dog wrote:
fatman wrote:...and also while your at it fix up the whole Canadian timezone situation.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Well dude its meant to be a 1pm race its now 4:55 in the am :? All they need to do is get the car out even under the safery car 24 cars each displacing 150lt a second will dry the track up or call it a day now and let Kamui get a podium 8-)
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I guess we'll just need to concede that HH is smarter and wiser than Einstein, Darwin and all these other scholars, but since he claims he doesn't read my posts :mrgreen:

Fred Hoyle (British astrophysicist): "A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question."1

George Ellis (British astrophysicist and collaborator on the Hawking-Penrose Singularity Theorems): "Amazing fine tuning occurs in the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use the word 'miraculous' without taking a stand as to the ontological status of the word."2

“God is the creator and sustainer of the universe and of humankind, transcending the universe but immanent in it;
“God's nature embodies justice and holiness, but is also a personal and loving God who cares for each creature (so the name "father" is indeed appropriate);
“God's nature is revealed most perfectly in the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, as recorded in the New Testament of the Bible, who was sent by God to reveal the divine nature, summarized in "God is Love;"
“God has an active presence in the world that still touches the lives of the faithful today.”3

Paul Davies (British astrophysicist): "There is for me powerful evidence that there is something going on behind it all....It seems as though somebody has fine-tuned nature’s numbers to make the Universe....The impression of design is overwhelming".4

"The laws [of physics] ... seem to be the product of exceedingly ingenious design... The universe must have a purpose".5

Alan Sandage (winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy): "I find it quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something instead of nothing."6

John O'Keefe (astronomer at NASA): "We are, by astronomical standards, a pampered, cosseted, cherished group of creatures.. .. If the Universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances indicate the universe was created for man to live in."7

Tony Rothman (physicist): "When confronted with the order and beauty of the universe and the strange coincidences of nature, it's very tempting to take the leap of faith from science into religion. I am sure many physicists want to. I only wish they would admit it."8

Vera Kistiakowsky (MIT physicist): "The exquisite order displayed by our scientific understanding of the physical world calls for the divine."9

Ed Harrison (cosmologist): "Here is the cosmological proof of the existence of God – the design argument of Paley – updated and refurbished. The fine tuning of the universe provides prima facie evidence of deistic design. Take your choice: blind chance that requires multitudes of universes or design that requires only one.... Many scientists, when they admit their views, incline toward the teleological or design argument."10

Barry Parker (cosmologist): "Who created these laws? There is no question but that a God will always be needed."11

Drs. Idit Zehavi, and Avishai Dekel (cosmologists): "This type of universe, however, seems to require a degree of fine tuning of the initial conditions that is in apparent conflict with 'common wisdom'."12

Henry "Fritz" Schaefer (Graham Perdue Professor of Chemistry and director of the Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry at the University of Georgia): "The significance and joy in my science comes in those occasional moments of discovering something new and saying to myself, 'So that's how God did it.' My goal is to understand a little corner of God's plan."13

Carl Woese (microbiologist from the University of Illinois) "Life in Universe - rare or unique? I walk both sides of that street. One day I can say that given the 100 billion stars in our galaxy and the 100 billion or more galaxies, there have to be some planets that formed and evolved in ways very, very like the Earth has, and so would contain microbial life at least. There are other days when I say that the anthropic principal, which makes this universe a special one out of an uncountably large number of universes, may not apply only to that aspect of nature we define in the realm of physics, but may extend to chemistry and biology. In that case life on Earth could be entirely unique."14

Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics, co-discoverer of the background microwave radiation in the universe proving the Big Bang model): “The best data we have [concerning the Big Bang] are exactly what I would have predicted, had I nothing to go on but the five books of Moses, the Psalms, the Bible as a whole.”15

In a subsequent radio interview, Penzias was asked what there was before the Big Bang: “We don’t know, but we can reasonably say that there was nothing.” An upset listener called immediately, accusing Penzias of being an atheist. He wisely replied: “Madame, I believe you are not aware of the consequences of what I just said. Before the Big Bang there was nothing of what now exists. Had there been something, the question could be: where did it come from?” He continued commenting that if there was nothing and suddenly things began to appear, that was sign that Somebody had taken them from nothing, and concluded saying that his discovery could bring about the overcoming of the historic enmity between science and religion.
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