Automation

[Pudfark]

You have no idea how much I hate those do-it-yourself checkout lanes that are cropping up in stores all over the place. I fucking hate them!
I don't care how long the lineup is ... I want a living breathing human being ringing up my purchases!

how are you with punching your order into your phone, paying electronically, and just picking the groceries up, sorted and bagged, at a local pickup center. Or, maybe simply delivered to your door? That, my friend, is where Amazon has been aiming for about 5 years.

Green Peaches.....think, Grapes of Wrath.

[callmeslick]

not sure your point, Pud. It will happen, especially in affluent enclaves, but that gets back to my core point. How do you think you're going to run a society where 10% are doing well and the other 90% are completely out of luck, either in total service to the well-off 10% or simply useless as tits on a bull?

[Pudfark]

Who didn't read Grapes of Wrath?
Them whut didna finish da ateth grayd.

Yer explain: Sheesh.....Depression era migrant farm workers, low wages, but all ya can eat, green peaches....google 'the skitters'.

[HappyHappy]

lets see, a mere two hundred thirty three years ago, one quick automation invention.

"The first power loom was designed in 1784 by Edmund Cartwright and first built in 1785."

"Milling Machines circa 1760, no one inventor"

Lathes /boring mills go back to beyond reliable historical records, maybe 800 to a thousand years.

The printing press in it's earliest forms is automation
as it did the work of hundreds even thousands of scribes.

There are references to the Brits boring cannon to "standard gauge" in the early 1500s.

This was a reach perhaps, but machines do the work of
many men.

Prior to boring lathes/mills a cannon was cast and hand scraped to smooth the bore.

Automation is hard wired in the Human species.

Doing it faster, better and with less effort is as old as the Human species.

[callmeslick]

Who didn't read Grapes of Wrath?
Them whut didna finish da ateth grayd.

Yer explain: Sheesh.....Depression era migrant farm workers, low wages, but all ya can eat, green peaches....google 'the skitters'.

I thought that was where you were going,but now that the nation has twice as many people and the agricultural land is all cultivated, I'm thinking that doesn't work too well.

[callmeslick]

Happy, all you observations are fair ones, but what happens when the inevitible trend meets modern technology and you eliminate, wholesale, the need for virtually all human labor(think about 15 years away, when the AI can train other AI to task)?

[Pudfark]

I'll take a quick shot at yer HH question. To me it's a morally complex problem with a simple mathematical solution.

Example: Infinite cat's and a finite catbox. Solution: Limit cats.

Jobs, automation are a distraction from the 'cats' and the solution. Doesn't matter what anyone says...bottom line is the solution, less is more.

Personally, I don't mind the automation...I'm damn tired of that left handed china man putting the twisties on my stuff....backwards.

[callmeslick]

I'll take a quick shot at yer HH question. To me it's a morally complex problem with a simple mathematical solution.

Example: Infinite cat's and a finite catbox. Solution: Limit cats.

sit down and have a nip. I agree, completely. Of course how we do that, and which cats go or stay will be really interesting. I will postulate that we are on a national course towards having a tough hit there, if we don't watch out.

Jobs, automation are a distraction from the 'cats' and the solution. Doesn't matter what anyone says...bottom line is the solution, less is more.

Personally, I don't mind the automation...I'm damn tired of that left handed china man putting the twisties on my stuff....backwards.

hopefully your descendants are tech savvy enough to operate the twist ties in either direction!

Once again, I'll repeat what I said to Happy. I do appreciate you all trying to play the game here. Not that hard, really, and sometimes I personally prefer this sort of exchange to a series of pointless, but gratifying FU's.

[HappyHappy]

Automation has put skilled people out of business for as long as there have been Humans.
We seem to have found a way to keep people employed, no?

A modern Horizontal machining center can out produce hundreds of machinists
on manual mills with near perfection. I do not see skilled machinists
out of work, they are simply more productive.

[Reservoir_Dog]

A modern Horizontal machining center can out produce hundreds of machinists
on manual mills with near perfection. I do not see skilled machinists
out of work, they are simply more productive.

You contradict yourself.
How can a modern horizontal machining center do the work of hundreds of machinists without putting hundreds of machinists out of work?