A Complete Waste of Space

FWIW...
The seatbelt thing is not to save lives, but to mitigate the costs of emergency personnel finding your sorry ass ejected from the automobile, the closing of the highway for you being ejected from the automobile, etc.

THIS is an indisputable fact.
It has nothing to do with protecting you, it has to do with making sure I can get from point A to point B without being held up by all the emergency personnel and the road closures when you are... ...ejected from your automobile.

KthanksBye.

oh, and I'm off for a week of trout fishing in the mountains. Any lack of response is not an intentional slight, but reflects the fact that I'm living in a cabin with no interweb or even TV.

Typical "Liberal", out of touch with reality and truly gone fishing

HH

callmeslick wrote:what the whole healthcare thing comes down to is this central question: Is basic healthcare a birthright of all citizens or a for-profit business available only to those that can afford it?

Name another "birthright" that someone else has to provide for you.

Typical marxist (read: liberal) attitude. You are not in control of your own destiny and you are not responsible for your actions. Pitiful that this country has been pussified. The majority of the east coast has that attitude. Which is a shame because at one time in this nation's history men were men on that coast. Now they're self absorbed children with an entitlement mentality. TBH they're disgusting and every once in a while you'll see one of those east coast fags here. They're laughed at constantly and made fun of.

I do miss the days when they were told constantly to go back from whence they came.

I don't know about healthcare being a birthright, or anything else being a birthright. If they were then cavemen would have had them.

BUT, what is a society for if it can not provide at least the environment to assure the basic needs of it's citizens? If you look at the USA lately, we have millions being booted out of their homes, with no healthcare, and without a good enough livelihood to provide their families.

It is easy to get a job in the USA, but not one that can support a family without the mother and father both working, and then who is raising the kids? The destruction of the family unit is the centerpiece in the fall of the American dream.

There use to be loads of factory, mill, construction and skilled jobs in the USA for everyone, now they have all been "outsourced" to other countries. Corporations have their goods made where they can pay a twentieth the wage and no benefits to their workers, most of our steel no longer comes from Pittsburgh but from China or other overseas providers, our airliners are being maintained in Mexico and the pilots paid low-middle class incomes, and our building industry which once produced houses and skyscrapers of brick, steel and stone now produces chintzy houses that will not be here in a hundred years, and crappy big-box drug-stores and department stores that are regularly torn down and replaced every decade filling landfills and wasting valuable resources.

This gutting of USA quality of life is only for putting money on the pockets of the top 2% of it's citizens.

The cost of all insurance for an average middle class family, car, health, property etc. will run into a significant percentage of their gross income, and a really significant percentage of their net income. If this average family had to pay all of this out of pocket you are talking at least 10%. BUT, the rich, who write the laws and policies of their country and their corporations, get the same or better insurances for the same or even less, and it's total cost to them will be if anything 1/10 of 1% of their net income each year or less, in other words it is like going and buying a pack of chewing gum for them.

The American Dream made the USA the greatest country on earth at one time. The American Dream was when Father went to work, the children went to school, and the mother took care of the home and kids. This dream was given to everyone. The immigrants who came over in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries all worked during and for the creation of the middle class family.

After WWII, the RICH decided United States citizens did not need their wealth, their jobs or families. So they re-built Germany and Japan's factories and moved production of consumer goods overseas. Now everything is made in China, but older people can remember turning over products on shelves and seeing "Made in Occupied Japan" or Germany on them, then all through the sixties and seventies simply "Made in Japan". After Japan created a middle class like we once had, then the RICH moved to CHINA and started over, and to other third-world countries where they could exploit the workers and natural resources to line their pockets. If anything got in the way like human rights or freedom, the CIA, which American banks and oil interests created, simply "removed" the stumbling blocks.

As far as form of government goes, there are lots that work wonderfully, Democracy and Socialism, Dictatorships being just fine and providing for every citizen as long as they are run by GOOD people. But there are no pure Democracies, Social states or Dictatorships in the world, they are all contaminated by greed to shift their wealth to 1% of the population, so using them as examples good or bad is silly.

A King, a dictator, a pure democracy or Socialist republic are all models of societies that can provide all their citizens housing, food and healthcare if they are allowed to operate as ideally and classically defined with good people in control. But when the rich and greedy control them, as they historically always have, then then instead of that society being there to support it's citizen's and itself, it merely exists to EXPLOIT it's citizens.

And this is all we have in the world today. The New World Order is simply the super rich and their banks setting up a means to control the whole world's economy as one instead of having to control each countries individually. It will save them management costs!

In the United States we have no Democracy, only the illusion of it. The USA has been a Plutocracy or Oligarchy for decades now. The large American banks agree with me, they even have sent out memos stating the fact that they consider themselves in total control of the country, really.

So again, you people spending your time and energy on partisan politics are the suckers and the stupid. If you are that dumb to spend your time that way, that is why the RICH say you are not fit to control your own lives or to deserve a real democracy and a say in how to run things and to control your own fate, they say that is like giving the chimpanzee a pistol.

Each minute you spend pointed at each other instead of the Rich proves them right doesn't it dummy?

Jumoschwanz wrote:If you look at the USA lately, we have millions being booted out of their homes, with no healthcare, and without a good enough livelihood to provide their families.

And the millions being booted signed contracts for ARM's (Adjustable Rate Mortgages). They knew that in x amount of years the payments would balloon. Whose fault is that? I know it's not my problem..........

but not one that can support a family without the mother and father both working, and then who is raising the kids? The destruction of the family unit is the centerpiece in the fall of the American dream.

A couple of things about that: First, why would you have kids if you can't support them? The libs have forced birth control lessons in school in health class, it's not difficult nor is it expensive to get on the pill or to buy a condom. The reason the family unit is being destroyed is that people who cannot afford to raise children have to work therefore the kids are unsupervised. Again, this falls squarely on the shoulders of the parents having kids. Ya know, I make a good living but I can't afford a Ferrari, so I don't go into debt to buy one. If these so-called parents had any sort of responsible attitude they'd wait to have kids.

There use to be loads of factory, mill, construction and skilled jobs............................... and crappy big-box drug-stores and department stores that are regularly torn down and replaced every decade filling landfills and wasting valuable resources.

Our government on both sides just don't care about it's people. They allow companies to pull stunts like outsourcing when they should be giving them breaks to leave their businesses in country.

This gutting of USA quality of life is only for putting money on the pockets of the top 2% of it's citizens.

True.

Each minute you spend pointed at each other instead of the Rich proves them right doesn't it dummy?

Except when the ones we're pointing fingers at are enabling the Rich. Social programs only benefit the rich and it makes the poor beholden to the rich.

callmeslick wrote:Both Soapy and Fatman strike points that show the lunacy of Cuda's post.

And the absolute folly of folks, no matter how likeable who are seeing the States from thousands of miles away in different cultures and countries....

Not enough time to point out just how disconnect slick is, and how accurate Cuda is.

Liberalism is just a disguise for a dictatorship of the proletariat.

Callmeslick is well aware that his party is NOT about representative goverment.
It is all about electing people better qualified
to make decisions for the irrational masses (in theory, we the people)

Obama, Pelosi. Kerry and other "Democrats" are CERTAIN that we need the
rational hand of goverment to force us on the correct path.
This criminal health care bill that recently passed is a excellent example
of the Democratic parties extreme arrogance.

I for one resent and REJECT the goverment of the facist Madame Pelisi and her pet president (Obama).

HH


I posted the above eariler in this thread.
I stand behind it as a freedom loving Libertarian who detests communists.
(But I do support Callmeslick's right to post his foolish dribble).

Obama is a communist, plain and simple.

American Democrats are in fact communists night riding behind the robes of "Liberalism".

HH

Dawg wrote:

callmeslick wrote:Both Soapy and Fatman strike points that show the lunacy of Cuda's post.

And the absolute folly of folks, no matter how likeable who are seeing the States from thousands of miles away in different cultures and countries....

Not enough time to point out just how disconnect slick is, and how accurate Cuda is.

Old Pudfark sez: " Ain't that the truth "

ruggbutt wrote:And the millions being booted signed contracts for ARM's (Adjustable Rate Mortgages). They knew that in x amount of years the payments would balloon. Whose fault is that? I know it's not my problem..........

Well it should be your problem insofar as the banks knew full well that such a credit scheme was unsustainable. Which is evidenced by the fact that the first thing they did was to magically transform them in financial products (rated AAA by the rating agencies!!!!!!!) and sell them to your average retirement fund or institution.

They made gazillions of profits doing that but strangely enough that money had disappeared in bonuses by the time the shit hit the fan, so they had to blackmail gvts into giving them money or else "the whole economy would go down". Pure fucking blackmail.

So they used gvt money to swallow other banks and be even more powerful. And the year after they get billions of bonuses again.

Those guys make huge fortunes out of gvt debt, which is your taxpayer money going straight to them.

You've been fucked over and over again as we all have, so I don't see how it could not be your problem.

Nic