Stephen Hawking: God didn't create universe

[CUDA]

Actually Cuda, I do not believe in the idea of Spontaneous creation.
I also am not a believer in the big bang theory.
The further we look back in time (billions of light years distance) the more
we find observable matter. Observable means there are light emitting stars and galaxies.
It takes time to form a structure as massive as a galaxy.
To much time. So much so that the evidence points to an infinite universe
in a constant of recycling matter thanks to those super massive
black holes in the center of every galaxy.

HH

WOW this seems like it could almost end up in a debate. so lets try this and see how long it lasts

I do not believe in the idea of Spontaneous creation.

if it just didnt Spontaneous start, or God didnt create it. then how did life start ??

I also am not a believer in the big bang theory.

Then where did all the matter to create the universe come from?

It takes time to form a structure as massive as a galaxy

I'm sure it does. your point??

So much so that the evidence points to an infinite universe

points to but does not confirm. so maybe? maybe not? huh

in a constant of recycling matter thanks to those super massive
black holes in the center of every galaxy.

I refer you back to question #2 and say recycling from where?

Show me hard evidence of a God.

The burden of proof is on you.

No actually its quite the opposite. the "premise" of God has been around since the beginning of time. thousands of years before the big bang "theory" came to light. so the Burden of proof is actually yours to change an established belief. This should be an easy thought process for you. it is what the scientific community is based upon. you have a belief system, and its up to the discovery of new evidence (proof) to alter that belief system. so as of now we have "theories" and many rational thought processes to support those "theories" but as of yet no evidence to prove any of it. they still remain a guess. so again based on the principle of scientific discovery, the burden is yours to disprove the existence of God. Good luck with that.


edit: follow-up. and I'm slightly confused with your stance.
you don't believe in God
you don't believe in spontaneous creation
you don't believe in the big bang theory

just what do you believe in????
is there some new theory out there that I forgot or am unaware of??

[HappyHappy]

You display the typical myopia of an obsessed believer.
You can not accept the notion of an infinite universe with
no beginnig or end.

I see the god myth as an answer to Man trying to explain
his world, and his lack of understanding death.

That's a lot of work for nothing, try answering my basic question.
Show me God.
Truth is with me. The evidence is with me. You only have an old myth and a book.

Show me absolute proof, the kind that will stand up in court, and I will
shout "Praise the Lord" and renounce my "misdeeds".
No need to worry on my part.

HH

[CUDA]

WOW this seems like it could almost end up in a debate. so lets try this and see how long it lasts

ya like I thought not very long

You display the typical myopia of an obsessed believer.
You can not accept the notion of an infinite universe with
no beginnig or end.

everything has a beggining and an end. even the Stars and Galaxies. answer my question.

That's a lot of work for nothing,

Answer my question. dont be a Coward. if your position is so strong then answer my questions. this is your thread the defense of the position is yours to prove. all I've heard from you so far is BLAH BLAH BLAH. you havent even quoted Hawkings. in fact I doubt you even knew Hawkings podition on the matter when you started this post

The evidence is with me.

then show it. dont be a coward

You only have an old myth and a book.

and you have a new myth and a book. so??

answer the questions. if you can

[HappyHappy]

No book!
And the evidence is NOTHING!
There is no God taking charge.
No God stopping the death of 55,000,000 people during WWII.
No God warning us it is wrong to kill in his name.
No God stopping the suicide bombers.

Face it, I need no book, the evidence is overwhelming.
I see and witness nothing and remain convniced beyond any doubt.

HH

[CUDA]

the evidence is overwhelming.
HH

show me then

Yes, there is microbial life capable of surviving those hostile
conditions.

where did that life come from?? dont have an answer do you

Stephen Hawking: God didn't create universe

remember those words??? it's your thread. Prove it. the Burden is yours. unless you wish to man up and admit that your whole purpose of this thread was to be a troll

[Buzz]

Show me hard evidence of a God.

The burden of proof is on you.

I see nothing and accept the obvious.

All you have to do is show me.

HH

If I showed you proof. I mean dead bang proof. Would you then believe?

If you say yes, then it just proves that you don't believe in anything.

If you say no, you still wouldn't believe. Then why should I bother?

The bottom line is, I don't need to prove anything to you. You know the story of Jesus. It's up to you to believe or not. You obviously don't believe. You've made your choice. So be it.

I'm comfortable. You're not. I'm not looking for answeres. You are. I don't ask you to prove evolution. Even if you could. I'd still believe in God.

Happy Happy is not a good name for you, because you're not. Just like I wasn't until I accepted Jesus.


Peace....I hope you work it out.

[HappyHappy]

Atheists have worked it out.
We need no God myth to sooth our worries.
We know death is an end.
We know life needed no God to start it.

Since you are so convinced there is a God, show me!

I have worked it out, and I am planting the seeds of truth in your minds.

If you knew the history of the Kristos messiah cult and the origins of
the Jesus myth, your belief system would be SHATTERED!

The God Myth is nothing more than a Santaclaus myth for adults!

HH

[CUDA]

thanks for FINALLY answering my question.

the one I've been after since you first posted.

If you knew the history of the Kristos messiah cult and the origins of
the Jesus myth, your belief system would be SHATTERED!

try me if you have the courage. you obviuosly haven't had it on any other point you've proclaimed. and I'll warn you to be prepared, because you'll find the Romans were very adept at record keeping

[Daiichidoku]

seems the Brothers Grimm wrote non-fiction after all

lotsa bridges in NH?

[GOYA]

Spontaneous generation is not the theory Hawking is describing. One only has to see some of the experiments that disproved spontaneous generation to see the difference.

The ancient beliefs were subjected to testing. In 1668, Francesco Redi challenged the idea that maggots arose spontaneously from rotting meat. In the first major experiment to challenge spontaneous generation, he placed meat in a variety of sealed, open, and partially covered containers. Realizing that the sealed containers were deprived of air, he used "fine Naples veil", and observed no worm on the meat, but they appeared on the cloth.

In 1745, John Needham performed a series of experiments on boiled broths. Believing that boiling would kill all living things, he showed that when sealed right after boiling, the broths would cloud, allowing the belief in spontaneous generation to persist. His studies were rigorously scrutinized by his peers and many of them agreed.

Lazzaro Spallanzani modified the Needham experiment in 1768, attempting to exclude the possibility of introducing a contaminating factor between boiling and sealing. His technique involved boiling the broth in a sealed container with the air partially evacuated to prevent explosions. Although he did not see growth, the exclusion of air left the question of whether air was an essential factor in spontaneous generation.

In 1837, Charles Cagniard de la Tour, a physicist, and Theodor Schwann, one of the founders of cell theory, published their independent discovery of yeast in alcoholic fermentation. They used the microscope to examine foam left over from the process of brewing beer. Where Leeuwenhoek described "small spheroid globules", they observed yeast cells undergo cell division. Fermentation would not occur when sterile air or pure oxygen was introduced if yeast were not present. This suggested that airborne microorganisms, not spontaneous generation, was responsible.[23]

Louis Pasteur's 1859 experiment put the question to rest. He boiled a meat broth in a flask that had a long neck which curved downward, like a goose. The idea being that the bend in the neck prevented any particles from reaching the broth, while still allowing the free flow of air. The flask remained free of growth for an extended period. When the flask was turned so that particles could fall down the bends, the broth became quickly clouded

None of that is about the creation of life itself or the universe itself.

Hawking is talking about the origins of the universe and abiogenesis. And more directly, he is challenging the idea that the ideal conditions existing on Earth to support its life in no way support the existence of a guiding hand that made it so.

Hawking didn't even use the term spontaneous generation. He said spontaneous creation.